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Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:59 pm
by Bea Woodget
Jane Fossett wrote:And the new calendar is owned by...
(insert drum roll here)...
:-)


Could you clarify what fears lurk behind this question that reflects a curious state of mind?

Are you afraid some RDs could be non affiliated ? A loss of power? Something you can't manage? Someone could understand that the startlines installed on Linden Waters are not owned by any YCs but at disposal of all? Please tell us more...

Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:19 am
by SLSA Rankings
SLSA Rankings wrote:
Naeve Rossini wrote:Bea, the results on dotCOM are static, right? Is there any way to make them realtime and interactive? Might be cool to be able to sort and stuff. That may be more trouble than it's worth, but it was just a thought I had while glancing at the results to see how my average ranked. ;)

Right, they are static, updated monthly.
Realtime and interactive... :) I'd love it. I just spent 3 hours today to update all tables, links and pages for this month.
All ideas/suggestions/help for that are welcome!
So far:
- all daily results posted by RDs (mostly copy/paste startline results) for a graded event are computed with sailwave SW to get regatta ranking, saved as jpg, and posted again to confirm/acknowledge it has been taken in account. They are then entered into a spreadsheet (one per class) ~15 min/event (30 events each month)
- once a month, all spreadsheets are printed page by page (pdf then converted in jpg for tables and graphs), pdf uploaded to google doc, jpg to wordpress/dotCOM, all pages on dotCOM are then edited to update links. ~3 to 4 hours once a month
So, is there is a way to automatize few tasks, I am for at 1 billion %! :) But I have really any clue how to do that. :(


You know what? My Excel skills didn't improve recently.... :) and the process as described is potentially source of lot of mistakes.

But there is at least one advantage to use this process:
- each is free to double-check (overall rankings of daily regattas, and monthly rankings)
- the visibility on the full spreadsheet, including all past results in its database, also eases checking its validity.
And some do! ... Fortunatly:)

Thank you Miwha !!!

Miwha is not only an astonishing Fizz sailor and undisputed leader of Fizz rankings, but she is also a great insurance against my mistakes :)

:arrow: Fizz rankings will be fixed as soon as possible, and re-published once corrected.

Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:24 am
by SLSA Rankings
Naeve Rossini wrote:...Bea, the results on dotCOM are static, right? Is there any way to make them realtime and interactive? Might be cool to be able to sort and stuff.

SLSA Rankings wrote:Correct, they are static, updated monthly. Realtime and interactive... :) I'd love it. I just spent 3 hours today to update all tables, links and pages for this month.All ideas/suggestions/help for that are welcome! So far:
- all daily results posted by RDs (mostly copy/paste startline results) for a graded event are computed with sailwave SW to get regatta ranking, saved as jpg, and posted again to confirm/acknowledge it has been taken in account. They are then entered into a spreadsheet (one per class) ~15 min/event (30 events each month)
- once a month, all spreadsheets are printed page by page (pdf then converted in jpg for tables and graphs), pdf uploaded to google doc, jpg to wordpress/dotCOM, all pages on dotCOM are then edited to update links. ~3 to 4 hours once a month
So, is there is a way to automatize few tasks, I am for at 1 billion %! :) But I have really any clue how to do that. :(

The success of SLSA Rankings system is well established, even if it goes unnoticed a bit of a point of view "festive", the competitors know the value and true meaning of this system, and have fun with it. It would certainly benefit of a better in-world communication. Never (since SLCN Sunday regattas at SYC) a system in SL Sailing has been as comprehensive, sustainable, open, and give sense to our competitive spirit without polluting the daily agenda, even if some are doing everything to ignore it for reasons of "turf war ". Who cares?
SLSA Rankings rock! But it is a huge task and it is time consuming. The monthly work time to make rankings is about 12 hours a month.

So, I am looking for help/advice/solution/tools in order to:
- Make them more real-time and interactive
- Reduce the risk of "human" error
- Make them not dependent of only 1 person
- Reduce the workload
- perpetuate this system
In other words, make it simpler, faster, easier, more reliable, more open, error free...

Perhaps the solution is to automatize few tasks. There are several:
- 1 - publishing of graded regattas results
- 2 - adding graded regattas results into a spreadsheet
- 3 - publishing monthly (or real-time) rankings

Regarding each point:
- 1 - The RDs could contribute by using sailwave (or their own system) for regattas overall rankings. So far, only Liv, Yuu and myself do. It saves lot of time. One could also imagine a (sw) tool to ease this task, even if sailwave is pretty easy to use. Could it be a java script? Could it be an inworld system working with the line? could it be a piece of code? could it be a simple spreadsheet?...
- 2 - The main spreadsheet could be open to RDs or to a group of people in order they can manage it. It could be a google spreadsheet for instance (so far, some of excel formulas I use are not google spreadsheet compliant, but it is not a problem to start a new one).
- 3 - It would become very simple then to generate rankings automatically and to embed the table into a web site (blogs) and/or inworld.

I therefore appeal to your contribution , know-how and goodwill to work towards this goal. All (good) ideas are welcome, and also all technical solutions.

Thank you.

PS: Bea Woodget's login has been removed from this forum at my request, so thank you to forget it. However, you can respond to this post, send a PM to "SLSA Rankings" or send email to slsarankings.committee@gmail.com (which is intended to be a shared account for a workgroup)

Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:33 pm
by Armano Xaris
Important post and signal Bea. I hope you get good help on this.

I can't do much except looking into that sailwave programm which didn't came
into my view before. (If i ever decide to do a graded race which is not the
case atm.)

I remember that Cynthia Centaur uses a system to post PHRF hotlaps from
a raceline at madaket. Could that maybe be used to post race results?

I don't know really, but it seemed connected to some kind of database.

Armano

Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:12 am
by SLSA Rankings
@ Armano: Thank you !

@ Naeve (and others): I am running a test with a new table here: http://slsailing.com/slsa-rankings/slsa ... -rankings/
Does it help? you can try ordering by column and use the "search" option, by example entering a name in the search field. This is a test, don't focus on values :)

Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:43 am
by SLSA Rankings
SLSA Sailing Rankings - Current Rankings - Updated: September 30th, 2010 - (next update: October 31st)


Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:57 am
by SLSA Rankings
This month (October 2010), Updated rankings will be published either Sunday 31st, or Monday 1st for some (depending on late publication of results of sunday races).

SLSA ranking system is now 8 months old...8 boats classes, with about 240 sailors and 230 regattas.

Seriously thinking to begin using the "Event Grading Multiplier (F)" factor, which for now is set to 1. This multiplier was thought to be used to differentiate between different types of graded events, such as regular weekly races and major Cups (eg Fizz Cup could start the ranking for Double handed Fizz rankings with a higher value for F).
It could be used also to give more weight when the RD publishes the results with an overall ranking for his/her event (and thus showing a greater interest for SLSA ranking).
Another idea is to promote a better use of RRS: nothing mandatory, it remains RD's choice, but for instance, a graded event under RRS could profit of a higher value for F.
My 2 pences in the "RRS vs. RRSSL" discussion somewhere here... :)
What do you think?

Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:00 pm
by Liv Leigh
I am not sure if the ruleset used should be the criterium for the "Event Grading Multiplier (F)" factor. Saying this would imply that a regatta with a certain ruleset should be valued higher than a race with another ruleset. Even though, you could use the argument that the complexity is higher if you use a full ruleset as opposed to 'no rules', it would sometimes look like a 'political' choice to me.

Maybe certain regatta's for more prestigious cup events or so could be graded higher. I don't think that gives many races for each of the boat classes under this criterium. But well, just another arbitrary criterium..?

Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:17 am
by SLSA Rankings
Class of boats taking part in SLSA Rankings are :

- ACA 2.53
- ACA 3.00
- FIZZ and Double Handed FIZZ
- PATCHOGUE
- RCJ 44
- SHELLY
- TAKO

The SLSA Rankings system is ready to welcome more class of boats, let us know if you want more. Criteriaremain unchanged.

Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:24 am
by dotCOM Staff
Rankings updated NOVEMBER 30 are online http://slsailing.com/

Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:01 am
by Don Berithos
As per beas request Im formaly adding VCC 82 To the grading Calander GGYCSL . rd roan blackburn /don berithos /SLVT courses and Lvcc Courses In direstrait and Sanfranciso sims .Thank you .

SLSA Rankings - Anyone there?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:11 am
by Liv Leigh
It has been 3 weeks to the day since the announcement was made that, in Bea's absence, a new person would take care of the SLSA Rankings. Both as a sailing organiser and sailor I have been a bit worried over the past 2 weeks at the lack of any news in this forum on the state of the project. There has been no post from either Bea Woodget, the creator of the rankings system, nor has there been a post by Garrick Diesel, the person who supposedly took over the project 3 weeks ago. There has been no confirmation on any post by organisers of SLSA-graded races that their results will be processed.

The maintenance-sensitive nature of the rankings system requires the person in charge of it to stay on top of things. For instance: the 'Q-factor' that plays in a number of the tables, is dependent upon the ranking of the previous month. Getting behind with 'homework' can pretty quickly create a giant mess in this system, something that will be hard to clean up, especially in a transitional state.

3 weeks without communication.. is not the way to give me, or any other organiser of graded events, the feeling that someone is actually 'on top of things'.
I'd like to know what's going on here.

- Is the project actually transferred from Bea to Garrick?
- Will there be a rankings publication end of December?
- Is there anyone responsible for communication with graded race organisers?
- When will we hear from this person?

Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:16 pm
by Nomad Zamani
I may be incorrect, but I believe Bea is unavailable, which means the mechanics (and maybe the existing data) of the ranking system are also unavailable. Until a handover can be carried out, by dint of Bea becoming available, it would seem that things are in limbo.

Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:31 pm
by Liv Leigh
Nomad Zamani wrote:I may be incorrect, but I believe Bea is unavailable, which means the mechanics (and maybe the existing data) of the ranking system are also unavailable. Until a handover can be carried out, by dint of Bea becoming available, it would seem that things are in limbo.

Neither of which implies that someone who is in charge of the rankings should refrain from communication for 3 consecutive weeks. The impression is being given that no one is managing the project.

Re: SLSA Rankings

PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:39 pm
by Nomad Zamani
That's as may be, but if the thing that is to be managed isn't available, then nothing tangible will happen anyway. I can't speak for Garrick, but maybe he feels that the project isn't his until it has actually been handed over. Or maybe he has RL commitments that preclude any action on the matter.