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Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Jane Fossett » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:32 pm

This is off-topic, but
I had to crank about this somewhere. :-)


OKOK...
I know many have sat by their display screens in breathless anticipation over this past year,
waiting for an announcement from the CERN Large Hadron Collider team about the Higgs bosun.
(AKA the "God Particle"). Higgs would theoretically impart 'Mass' to everything in this universe.
That's good-or-bad, depending what your personal bathroom scale shows.

Well, in late April an internal LHC message leaked,
purportedly showing a candid snapshot of that elusive Mr H. Bosun, himself:

Image

Tke UK Daily Mail captioned the image:
"Breakthrough: An LHC image of a Higgs boson decaying into two jets of hadrons and two electrons"

Many of us read that news, smiled and slept soundly, with the calm reassurance that "God does exist."

Well, anyway, you can prolly guess the rest...
On Monday of this week Rolf Heuer from CERN announced that the leaked collision data was not conclusory with respect to the existence of God.
(or Higgs B., for that matter).

My take-home summary of CERN's statement was:
1. Higgs Bosun might exist and the above image could be his picture;
2. That image could actually be somebody new's picture (a new, unexpected particle);
3. It might also be somebody old's picture (a known particle within statistical error); or
4. Maybe it's nothing ("Oops, somebody goofed.")


However, I was still left wondering: Is there any option NOT covered in Huer's Disclaimer above? :-)

Emboldened by CERN's statement of ambiguation, I did five min of personal,
extensive research online and came up with my own vote for the God particle-pair
(please note: I constrained the search to a pair in order to preserve symmetry :-) ):

Image

Based on CERN's caveats and disclaimers for their data,
I think the image I'm submitting above also meets the Higgs bosun criteria.

Based on the data presented, I feel comfortable stating:
1. Higgs Bosun might exist, and Higg's image could be included in the above picture;
2. However, the picture could actually be somebody else;
3. It might also be somebody obvious (but within statistical error); or even...
4. Maybe it's nothing all ("Oops, Jane's human error.")


Having matched CERN's accuracy on this point,
I think it's fair that I claim an equal share to the circa 8 Billion invested so far in the collider project.
(note: I came in under-budget, too :-) ).
Well, nevermind that, but let me add:

Heuer and CERN have promised to keep the sentient universe updated about the status of God and Higgs,
with a possible resolution of the issue by the end of year 2012. I'm a big fan of this amazing work, so pardon my puns, but I admit the project is a minefield for humor.
After all. these are the nice folks who admitted the Large Hadron Collider would generate forces more intense than any known in the solar system,
and could routinely create miniature black holes. However, No problemo, they told us not to worry; CERN was fairly sure the LHC would not destroy this corner of the Galaxy,
and they were mostly convinced it wouldn't even vaporize planet Earth, for that matter.
(Well... they were 83.4% sure, anyway. :-) ) ).

I admit so far they've called it right, so I'm still a big LHC fan...
but geez,
I'll bet God's really pissed over this week's press release downgrading his status. :-)
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Joyofrlc Acker » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:22 pm

Oh dear, Jane, youve reeled me in.

1. I'm confused as to whether Rolf Heuer was trying to say the data were, or were not, conclusory evidence of the existence God. Perhaps he is too. A *conclusive* opinion would require reading his mind i guess, but anyone is free to post any conclusory evidence they like here.

2. Peter Higgs definitely exists being a leading light at my alma mater (tho before my time). I have heard nothing about his interest in sailing however. Considering academic salaries Im surprised he can afford a boat big enough to need a bosun.

3. As for God, I take the possibilities of the existence of God and Linden Labs to be mutually exclusive.

4. Lets hope the LHC is not managed by Linden labs, other wise the ensuing lag will tie string theory up in knots for the rest of eternity.

PS: Great pics!
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Nomad Zamani » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:31 pm

Why has someone scribbled a shopping list on her arm?
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Chakku451 Rieko » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:10 pm

Nomad Zamani wrote:Why has someone scribbled a shopping list on her arm?


That's not a shopping list, it's a list of the six people connected to the film industry that she has NOT had sex with.
Wow...Peter Higgs looks just like Brad Pitt.

I talked to God just this morning and SHE is not pissed about the bad press. She told me that she actually finds it quite humorous that everyone has bought that whole patriarchial pap that the Church has been selling for the last two thousand years. What she's really pissed about is that 90% of the wars fought in the last thousand-odd years have been in her name. The other thing that's she's pissed about is that fact that she created the duckbill platypus, the single creature on the planet that utterly defies all scientific theories about the evolution of life, but people still insist that there's no proof of her existence.

Hoo-mans...go figure...
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Jane Fossett » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:00 pm

Joyofrlc Acker wrote: ...I'm confused as to whether Rolf Heuer was trying to say the data were, or were not, conclusory evidence of the existence God...

OMG, Kudos to Joyof for good grammar making 'data' plural. :-)

Chakku451 Rieko wrote:Wow...Peter Higgs looks just like Brad Pitt.

That's exactly what I thought too! :-)

Nomad Zamani wrote:Why has someone scribbled a shopping list on her arm?

That's no shopping list!
That's Dirac's solution to the Schroedinger equation! :-)



Take-home message:
"... A beer in hand has 2 Pi and 4 Pi symmetry..."

Conclusion:
Well, I guess we all need to wait till next year to find out if God exists... :-)
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Jane Fossett » Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:43 pm

I apologize for the above video.

Some may consider it obscene
(within Heisenberg uncertainty, at least).

While we wait to find out if God exists,
Maybe we can just go sailing. :-)

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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Chaos Mandelbrot » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:49 pm

Nomad Zamani wrote:Why has someone scribbled a shopping list on her arm?

She lost her smart phone?
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Chaos Mandelbrot » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:56 pm

Jane Fossett wrote:Well, I guess we all need to wait till next year to find out if God exists... :-)

Actually we need only wait till September.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-team-sets-end-s ... 14553.html
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Chakku451 Rieko » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:12 am

Great pic of Prof. E, Jane.
I just have 3 questions...

1. Is that a prototype free Flying Tako that His Relativitiness is sailing, or is that the racing version sporting a prototype Saxxie hull texture?

2. Is that the box containing Schroedinger's cat behind Mrs. E?

3. If it is, has it been opened? I ask because Schroedinger's Cat owes me money.
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Joyofrlc Acker » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:49 am

Jane, I didn't make data plural, God did.
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Jane Fossett » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:32 pm

Chakku451 Rieko wrote:Great pic of Prof. E, Jane. I just have 3 questions...
1. Is that a prototype free Flying Tako that His Relativitiness is sailing, or is that the racing version sporting a prototype Saxxie hull texture?
2. Is that the box containing Schroedinger's cat behind Mrs. E?
3. If it is, has it been opened? I ask because Schroedinger's Cat owes me money.

Yes, Yes, No,
but not necessarily in that order.
:-)
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Jane Fossett » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:34 pm

Joyofrlc Acker wrote:Jane, I didn't make data plural, God did.

Glad to know the liability on that one. :-)
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Jane Fossett » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:55 am

Reported in the August 3rd Washington Post:

Swedish man arrested after trying to split atoms in his kitchen; says it was only a hobby
by Associated Press

STOCKHOLM — A Swedish man who was arrested after trying to split atoms in his kitchen said Wednesday he was only doing it as a hobby.

Richard Handl told The Associated Press that he had the radioactive elements radium, americium and uranium in his apartment in southern Sweden
when police showed up and arrested him on charges of unauthorized possession of nuclear material.

The 31-year-old Handl said he had tried for months to set up a nuclear reactor at home
and kept a blog about his experiments, describing how he created a small meltdown on his stove.
Only later did he realize it might not be legal and sent a question to Sweden’s Radiation Authority,
which answered by sending the police.

I have always been interested in physics and chemistry,” Handl said,
adding he just wanted to “see if it’s possible to split atoms at home.

The police raid took place in late July, but police have refused to comment.
If convicted, Handl could face fines or up to two years in prison.
Although he says police didn’t detect dangerous levels of radiation in his apartment,
he now acknowledges the project wasn’t such a good idea.

From now on, I will stick to the theory,” he said.
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Charlz Price » Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:03 pm

Maybe I should'nt start my homemade LHC after all?
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Re: Off-Topic: Higgs, God, Cern... $8 Billion later...

Postby Chakku451 Rieko » Sun Aug 07, 2011 2:30 pm

Jane Fossett wrote:Reported in the August 3rd Washington Post:

Swedish man arrested after trying to split atoms in his kitchen; says it was only a hobby
by Associated Press


My brother has this old comedy, starring some Austrailian comic name Yahoo Serious, called "Young Einstein" in which the plot is that Einstein was born in the Austailian Outback and split a beer atom to give beer foam. There's this great little scene of a smallish shed with the some chisling noises from within, a small explosion, then Einstein running to his parents carrying a pilsner glass of foamy beer.

This headline brings forth a similar image, but it's an apartment building, and after the explosion there's this largish Nordic guy dressed as a typical American science geek standing in the now nonexistant bay window, glowing.
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